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Our goal is to investigate the chemical, temporal, and kinematical structure of the Galactic discs using abundances, kinematics, and ages derived self-consistently with the new Bayesian framework SAPP. We employ the public Gaia-ESO spectra, as well as Gaia EDR3 astrometry and photometry. Stellar parameters and chemical abundances are determined for 13426 stars using NLTE models of synthetic spectra. Ages are derived for a sub-sample of 2898 stars, including subgiants and main-sequence stars. The sample probes a large range of Galactocentric radii, ~3 to 12kpc, and extends out of the disc plane to +/-2kpc. Our new data confirm the known bi-modality in the [Fe/H] - [alpha/Fe] space, which is often viewed as the manifestation of the chemical thin and thick discs. The over-densities significantly overlap in metallicity, age, and kinematics, and none of these is a sufficient criterion for distinguishing between the two disc populations. 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